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Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.05.13 22:15:00 - [1] - Quote Everyone likes new stuff, but not everyone likes losing old stuff that was 100% OK and working. In this case, I would very much like to have a way to turn basically all of these new tips and UI changes off immediately. You can turn tutorials off (thank god). Just package this screen clogging information overload with the tutorial stuff, or some other easy to find place such that I can tick a box and resume playing the game. I would be much happier to log in tomorrow and see the UI exactly how it was yesterday, but with the option, should I chose it, to have this, though I almost never would use it. Forcing stuff onto otherwise happy people isn't good.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2014.05.14 00:25:00 - [2] - Quote Okay. I actually tried playing the game with these things on. Really not happy with this at all. It's very difficult to get the information I actually need, or actually even keep sane. It's very distracting and annoying. I would literally like to log into the same game I logged out of yesterday.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2014.05.14 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: I didn't have a problem with the tooltips, that was until I was trying to target multiple objects in space and found the tooltip actually stopped me from being able to click on stuff because it was in the way. I've also found that the overview is lagging a little more than usual. Probably related. This is one of my main grievances with the changes. I really liked the old way. After a few hours of playing the game, tool tips on the star map and on just modules stopped appearing - I couldn't even see what I had loaded. Iteration and progress is fine, but it would be far better if this was actually, as the topic title says, tiptoeing. What has happened is a very hard march wearing steel-toed boots with no obvious way to go backwards. Anything that is being iterated with in the UI should be configurable such that good iteration can happen - here's what I like and should be expounded, here's what I don't like and have turned off. I don't like having everything not work the way it did yesterday.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.15 18:06:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Delegate Zero wrote: Following on from that, we are thinking very seriously about how delay timing interacts with the tooltip contents and context. This is a contender for some configuration options. Enough people have asked about an off switch that I think I have to give a straight answer to this: a blanket off switch is not a strong contender as a configuration option. Okay. Clearly we believe different things when it comes to the word 'iteration'. Somehow, I was under the working impression that part of iteration meant gathering feedback from the people who play the game and using that to make the feature better. Selection bias anyone? You don't seem too open to popular or negative feedback here, yet that is essential to iteration. If iteration just means a slower, inexorable, release of features people do not want or like, then that's really not what was described during the fanfest presentations. So basically, not only can most of that not be taken at face value, neither can your claims be. The biggest problem here is that the vast majority is being ignored. Furthermore, you seem adamant about it, when that is counter-intuitive to a real evolutionary iterative process - out with the bad, in with the good. Where is the iteration we were promised, cause I am having a hard time finding it. Why do you even have a forum for feedback if you don't actually listen to any of it? I want to log in and use the same UI as I did last week. The fact that I can't is irritating, the fact that you don't seem to want to listen to the vast majority who want the same thing is far worse.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.05.16 08:15:00 - [5] - Quote I found this today. It's pretty telling of some of the issues here. http://imgur.com/XJKb9vr 50% or more of the actual relevant and well displayed information is covered by a completely redundant and annoying popup of what was plainly obvious. Fixing NPE is not even remotely solvable by things like this; you want to encourage veterans to show new players the game and teach them the ins and outs - there's simply more to this game than can be distilled into a canned tutorial no matter how much work and effort is put into it. They will generally do this when the game is very fun for them. While there are many ways to make the game more fun for its current crop of players, annoying them with changes they neither need nor want, nor even like, is probably not the best way to go about things. We play this game, we know what we want, and we have spoken; we want a rollback or an option to turn this nonsense off.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2014.05.18 19:48:00 - [6] - Quote Okay, can we roll back the rest of the changes too? I'm 50% happier with the tooltips being removed from space, but the rest of the changes are still intrusive and making playing this game a real pain.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:54:00 - [7] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Bracket list that we had before was still a lot more functional than what we have now. This. These are token changes that do not address many of the complaints. I want an off button for this, seriously. I want to have the old tool tips and targeting available - it was actually usable and well thought out for the most part. I look in the FW menu to see which systems are contested; tool tip blocks 50% of the relevant information to rehash 10% of it in a completely redundant fashion. I look in the contracts menu; tool tip blocks 2-3 contracts from plain sight and is completely redundant with what was shown in the columns. Most of the tool tips are clutter like this. Just give us an off switch. Please. I do not like this feature one bit. Pretty much, they just clog up game play and make the entire experience very unpleasant.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2014.05.25 23:53:00 - [8] - Quote Alexis Nightwish wrote: CCP Delegate Zero wrote: I just wanted to say that we are still taking onboard the feedback in this thread and elsewhere. We are continuing to work on improving the overall experience with tooltips and contextual information in general. I understand where some of the concerns about abandonment of this package of features 'as is' are coming from but that is definitely not an option as far as we are concerned. We're looking to put out a patch tomorrow fixing some specific defects but also putting in some delay configuration options. Please make it an option. Take a look at my previous, wonderful overview. Now, look at the travesty it has become! It's worthless now! Yep. that pretty much sums it up for me. Seeing the old interface makes me even more upset, as it was so elegant and easy to use at the same time. I don't think you realize how game breaking this is for some people. You have repeatedly asked for feedback. Everyone says they want an off button, and these images illustrate why.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:15:00 - [9] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: There's been a slider for around a week or so now? This doesn't solve everything. Brackets in space/etc is still horribly broken, as numerous people have shown. Absolutely needs to be fixed as there are lots of people, including me, for which this change really makes playing the game hard. Look how customizable the sound options are to be. Yet we have one slider for this. I actually liked mousing over my wallet and seeing how much cash I had, the tool tip presented new and relevant information upon request, but is pretty much gone when you set the delay to max to solve the other eye-jarring popups off. Still rather upset by the tool tips.
Alternative Splicing Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.04 20:30:00 - [10] - Quote Mag's wrote: Options are good. The audio and visual customization options are fantastic, I sincerely wish this was extended to the UI.

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